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May 12, 2004ADDRESS TO
NATIONAL PRESS CLUB
WEDNESDAY, 12 MAY 2004
1.00 PM
SUBJECTS: Budget
TREASURER:
Again thank you very much for the opportunity to address the Press Club again.
It is something of a tradition and it is one I enjoy very much.
I will try and speak without a written text to the themes of this Budget and
what we hope to accomplish and I will try and keep my remarks limited. The Press
have asked me to do so, many of them have reported that there was an outbreak
of patriotic fervour last night and some of them are not feeling as well as
they would otherwise be feeling.
So, as far as I am concerned, this Budget really starts from the economic management
which lies behind it. Without economic management you can’t do the kinds
of things that we have been able to do in this Budget. Without economic management
you don’t have people in work. Without economic management you don’t
have a low interest rate climate. And without economic management you don’t
have a balanced Budget let alone the opportunity to reduce taxes or to help
families. And I have laid down the principle really starting with last years’
Budget that if we can look after Australia’s defence and security, fund
our health and education systems, balance our Budgets, then we should think
about returning to the Australian public.
And we had an opportunity to do that in this Budget, particularly as we came
down to the Budget, strong company tax collections between the mid-year and
the end of the year, gave us the opportunity to do things that we didn’t
have the capacity to do at an earlier stage. And the big move in terms of the
revenue side of the Budget from mid-year was essentially in relation to company
tax of $1.8 billion. Not because company tax rates rose but because companies
are as profitable in this country as they have ever been, with the company profit
share as a proportion of GDP at the highest levels that have been measured.
And so, my first proposition to you is, as you would expect in any economic
document, that the most important thing is to have economic management. For
the seventh time our Budget will be in balance and we will have a surplus. You
can see the second red bar in these charts, that is the forecast for 2004-05,
a forecast of $2.4 billion in surplus coming off an expected outcome for this
financial year of $4.6 billion.
Can I just say to those economic journalists that have asked whether the Budget
is stimulatory, it is in the sense that your surplus is declining from $4.6
billion to $2.4 billion in the forecast year and it is in the sense that we
are making a payment before 30 June to all Australian families eligible for
Family Tax Benefit. But as you can see from a graph like that, it is not a great
deal of stimulus that is being delivered to the economy. And as you count back
you will see that there are seven surplus Budgets of the nine that I have delivered
in Australia since 1996, coming off Budget deficits, really of the order of
4 per cent, as bad as 4 per cent, back in the early 1990’s.
This has put Australia’s debt position in a very strong position. We
are the red bars on that chart. Our debt peaked in 1996 when our Government
was elected. By running surplus Budgets we have managed to pay down Australia’s
debt from 20 per cent of GDP to 3 per cent of GDP whilst other countries have
been building debt throughout the same period. You can see all of those countries
– the OECD, Europe, Japan, the United States have in fact been building
debt over recent years and the reason is that they, like us, had Budget deficits
back in 1995-96 as you can see on the blue graphs, unlike us, we drove our Budget
into surplus, they are still running deficit Budgets.
And you can see a comparison there between Australia which is on the far right
hand side, Japan, the United States, the OECD and Europe all had significant
Budget deficits shown by the blue bars in 1995-96, all continue to have significant
Budget deficits. Australia is the country that has strengthened it’s fiscal
position. It is the country that has paid down debt and we have come through
the challenges of the last eight years and there have been many in a stronger
position. There are some people that claim, oh well, it has been a good time
for Australia. That is rubbish.
During the last eight years we had an Asian financial and economic collapse,
we had SARS, we had September 11, we have had war in Iraq, we have had the worst
drought in a hundred years. This has been a very difficult period for economic
management. And my argument is that it doesn’t happen by accident, it
is not a fluke, it requires good choices in difficult situations. It is not
something that you can blunder into and luck your way through. It is something
that takes determined consistency and consistency in economic management has
been a hallmark here in Australia over the last eight years. Whilst our interest
payments shown by the blue bar have been declining as we repay debt, our spending
on hospitals and schools and assistance to families with children have been
increasing. Our debt has come down, we are cutting our interest payments and
our investment into hospitals and schools and particularly in this Budget into
families is increasing.
Our reform of the indirect tax base has also delivered very significant benefits
to State Governments. In fact the announcement I made on Budget night included
increased receipts of GST. Not one dollar of which goes to the Commonwealth.
All of the upside gain in relation to revenue is captured by the States. You
never really hear the State Treasurers talking about the benefits that the GST
has brought them. But every month their cheque rolls in. Every single one of
them will be in front in 2004-05 of where they would have been if the old system
of Financial Assistance Grants had continued. The Victorian Government – $237
million in front of where they would have been. And you can see $237 million,
yes, that is right, half the cost of the Scoresby Freeway someone down here
has said, in front in 2004-05, and some States like Queensland, even more significant
winners.
So in this Budget we had the opportunity to invest further in families and
I want to show the way in which we have done this. This is not a package that
was just pulled out on Budget night. This is something that we have been working
at since we came to Office in 1996. When we came to Office in 1996 you can see
that family assistance was a little over $500. And in my first Budget we increased
that by $200, that is the red bar in 1997. When we introduced the New Tax System
in 2000 we increased it again, and that is the grey bar in 2000. And in this
bar we increased it again by $600 per child per annum, raising the minimum payment
from $1,095 to $1,695. Let me say that again, an increase of $600 per child
per annum. And the reason we did that is we believe that families need assistance.
We believe that there are a lot of costs to raising a family – housing,
food, shelter, clothing, schooling, childcare – and delivering money back into
the hands of people will help them with that cost. We do it for another reason,
of the 2.2 million Australian families that will receive Family Assistance,
nearly half, nearly one million of them don’t pay any tax. You can’t
cut their tax if they don’t pay any tax. And so if you want to deliver
to those families you have to actually do it on the payment side of the Budget.
The other thing is, it is quite redistributional because it is $600 for each
family. If it were done in the way of a tax cut of course then those on higher
marginal rates would receive more than those on lower marginal rates –
direct family assistance.
And for a single income family with around two children, what this means is
in terms of the net transfers they receive, they are not paying in net terms
tax until they are up near $40,000 per annum. That is, all tax that they would
have been paid is being rebated by the Family Tax Benefit Part A and more, and
more. And we took the opportunity to also improve incentives and to deal with
marginal tax rates, effective marginal tax rates, which is the interplay between
both the tax rate and the welfare system or the Family Assistance System I should
say.
Let me come to this feature of what we did last night. The Family Tax Benefit
is an additional benefit paid where the second income earner has a low income
or no income, the single income family gets an additional Family Tax Benefit.
And what’s happened in the past is, if a mother has decided to go back
into the workforce, that benefit, which is for the single income family has
tapered out very quickly. It is the blue line. Once you earn more than about
$1800, she started losing it at the rate of 30 cents, and if she earnt a little
under $12,000 that family lost that benefit. And the big structural change that
we made last night in relation to that is to take away the disincentive for
mothers who want to go back into the workforce on a part-time basis, allowing
them to keep that Family Tax Benefit and not having that as a disincentive.
The average number of hours per week worked by a married woman on a part-time
basis is 17.4, it is a little over 2 days a week, 2 – 2 ½. And by altering
the structure of this benefit, women who want to come back into the workforce,
mostly working part-time when they do, do not have the disincentive. And they
can keep the Family Tax Benefit that they had before they started earning income.
So, we have a maternity payment which covers families for the loss of income
as Mum comes out of the workforce – we have changes to the Family Tax Benefit
which covers family as Mum comes back part-time into the workforce – and we
have a $600 per child per annum increase in family assistance.
This is re-casting family assistance, helping families struggling with the
juggling of work and family, backed up by increased outside school hours places
and family day care places to allow the participation of women in the workforce
as they are coming out, as they are coming back and as they bring the skills
to bear in bringing their skills back into the workforce and growing our economy.
The consequence of these changes is also that effective marginal tax rates
are reduced. I won’t go through them, but since 1999 reducing the income
tax rate to a standard 30 cents, reducing the taper rate has brought for these
groups of families, effective marginal tax rates are down very significantly.
I want to come to the second part of what we announced last night. The second
part of what we announced last night was new tax scales. And in particular what
we are aiming at is getting the majority of Australians, 80 per cent or more,
that at least 80 per cent on a top income tax rate of 30 per cent or less. And
the way in which we propose to do that is to move the upper income band to the
30 per cent rate from its current 52 cent level for $63,000 and to move the
current threshold or the top marginal rate from $62,500 to $80,000.
Why do we want to do that? Well, I don’t think if you are earning $50,000
or $60,000 you are rich, I think you are a middle income earner in Australia
today. I don’t think you should be on the top marginal tax rate. There
will be a lot of policemen and firemen, there will be a lot of people that are
looking for promotions or doing overtime that are in that bracket, and they
should not be facing the top marginal tax rate. That is the first reason.
The second reason is by international standards, by international standards
our top marginal tax rate cut in at a low threshold, too low a threshold, and
that had to be dealt with.
And the third reason is this, moving those thresholds was unfinished business.
Moving those thresholds was unfinished business, because when we laid down our
tax plan in 2000 it was tax relief across the board. By the time it came out
of the Senate, because of Labor Party opposition, those middle income earners
were denied the value of their income tax cuts. The changes which we proposed
for lower and middle income earners were in fact enacted. Before 2000, people
earning up to $50,000 were on a 43 cent rate, we dropped it to $30,000. People
earning up to $20,000 were on a 20 per cent rate, we dropped it to $17,000.
But the Senate in the year 2000, with Labor Opposition, would not pass the remainder
of our tax plan – it was defeated. And those people at the middle income levels
were never able to receive the benefit of our planned overhaul of income taxes.
So, this is unfinished business.
And when we say, and I would direct you to it, as we say in our book, ‘More
Help For Families’ which was released last night on page 7 – the consequence
of making these changes now is not that you are giving unfair tax relief to
middle income earners, but you are delivering the fairness back which they should
have had earlier. And we say there on page 7, that tax payers earning $20,000
have had a 23 per cent reduction in tax since 2000. Tax payers earning up to
$50,000 have had a 21 per cent reduction, that is the part that did go through
the Senate. But only after these changes take place on 1 July will those up
to $90,000 receive their share which is 18 per cent. Still less this has been
delivered for those on the lower incomes. Still less in percentage terms, but
accomplishing the unfinished business of 2000. Enhancing incentives, getting
back some international competitiveness and delivering a tax cut of the order
of $22 or $42 or $42.21 for those on the $80,000 bracket. And there it is in
distributional terms.
The blue is what we achieved in the year 2000, the red is what happened last
year, the grey (if I am not colour blind) is what will happen as from 1 July
2004 and the green is what will happen from 1 July 2005. Competitiveness, incentives,
unfinished business, structural tax reform. So we have families, we have structural
tax reform.
I only want to say two additional things, if I may. The first, superannuation.
I don’t think there has been enough attention in relation to this so far
but this is available to all income earners up to $58,000. You have seen the
ads on the television with the piggy bank, dollar for dollar, well that just
changed. It is $1.50 per dollar for the lower income earner. And if you are
below $28,000 and you put in $1,000, you will get $1,500 from the Government
– $2,500 into your superannuation. Now if you put in $100, you will get $150,
$250. And these benefits which shade out according to the lines which you can
see on those graphs, apply as far up the income scale as $58,000. But I make
this point and I make it very, very sincerely to the Senate – that is for the
low income earner. A geared contribution of 150 per cent and it is backed up
by another measure that runs in tandem with it, which is the reduction in the
superannuation surcharge for the higher income earner. A reduction which we
would like to bring down from the current level of 14 ½ per cent to 7
½ per cent.
Now in all of the discussion from the Labor Party to date, and I listen to
them carefully. I reckon I know more about their policy than they know about
their policy. We have seen tentative signs that they will be passing our tax
package, but I call on them to pass our superannuation measures too, no more
mucking around.
And I say this to the Labor Party, the legislation for families is in the Parliament.
The $600 payment can be made before 30 June. The tax cuts will be introduced
tomorrow. They need to be passed as a matter of urgency so employers can have
the tables to know what to deduct on 1 July. These changes need to be legislated.
Let’s not keep the people of Australia waiting. Let’s not try and
muck it around, interfere or re-draw.
This is a balanced package, it is a package which puts together in a strong
economy better incentives for families, more assistance for families, structural
reform of our income tax system, retirement savings incentives for those of
lower incomes and a reduction of surcharge rates for those on higher incomes.
This is a Budget which puts together reform and can take our country forward.
We need to get on and we need to enact it. We need to deliver to the people
of Australia. That is what this Budget does, for families, for those who are
earning, for those who need aged care and for those who need security in retirement.
Thank you very much.
BELINDA GOLDSMITH:
Treasurer, Belinda Goldsmith from Reuters. In the Budget you forecast 9 per
cent growth in non-rural commodity exports for 2004-05, they have stressed the
importance of economic growth and demand from China. How great an impact do
you think there will be for Australia if China, as increasingly speculated,
is overheating and heading for a hard economic landing?
TREASURER:
Well, I think China’s growth and China’s emergence will be one
of the key economic developments for the world and it will be one of the key
economic developments for Australia. Australia should look to harness itself
to the growth of the Chinese economy. This is the most exciting development
in our region of our time. The emergence of a country of one billion people
from the shackles of socialism which will give them a quantum leap in production
and which will power East Asia and if we hook ourselves into it, us as well.
What China is going to need as it comes through this period, is it is going
to need energy and lots of it. This is a wonderful opportunity for Australia
with our gas reserves up on the North West Shelf. And we have just signed the
largest export contract in Australia’s history for LNG, a twenty year
contract. There will be demand and lots of it for iron ore and coal and nickel.
And from our point of view, hooking ourselves to the emergence of the Chinese
growth engine is crucial to our economic future.
Now you said that some people worry that China’s growth might falter.
And you look at an economy like that growing at 11-12 per cent per annum, emerging
through industrialisation, and you ask yourself, how long can that continue?
And I think that there will be bumps and falls along the way. Yes I do. But
I have no doubt that notwithstanding those bumps and those falls along the way,
over the period of years, as you take a command economy and you move it towards
a market economy, the growth potential is enormous.
You may have some setbacks, it will take a lot of work on their financial system
in particular but although you will have spurts and falls, and spurts and falls,
let me tell you, the Chinese growth projections are going to be going one way.
And that is a way which Australia can really benefit from.
FERGUS MCGUIRE:
Treasurer, the Budget pushes back the receipt of proceeds from Telstra for
another year. You said this week that if the sale goes ahead you would like
to use the proceeds either to retire debt or buy an equivalent asset. Could
you explain what you mean by an equivalent asset and does it include some of
the national infrastructure projects that your National Party colleagues want?
TREASURER:
Well, look, my view is that the position of Telstra has to be resolved. Telstra
is not a basic phone service company anymore. Telstra is an internet company,
it is into pay TV, it is investing in Hong Kong, sometimes not with great return.
It is buying software companies. The Government shouldn’t be owning a
corporation that is backing itself into Hong Kong deals and software development,
and cable TV. Telstra, we are led to believe, may have even looked at buying
a newspaper company, we are led to believe. Should that be in Government ownership
or control? I think like most of the other developed…
Ooh I am sorry, Telstra is the sponsor today…I took back…I just
realised. Just edit that bit about Hong Kong out will you?
Gee they’ve got to wonder if they got value for their sponsorship dollar
today aren’t they?
We need to resolve its status one way or the other. And I think, like most
of the other countries in the developed world, it should be resolved in making
it a private company. It be resolved by re-nationalising it. And I don’t
know if the Labor Party will go down that track. But I don’t think it
can stay where it is. Now, the only point I would make about when you sell off
capital assets, you shouldn’t dissipate the proceeds. If you sell off
the family silver and you spend it on champagne, at the end of the day, you
have got no family silver and you can’t pay next weeks champagne bill.
And that is why we have used the proceeds to retire debt, because you have
got a capital asset, less debt for the sale of a capital asset, now there may
be other capital assets that the country could look at.
Let me give you one example of one thing we did in this Budget. We actually
paid off the Commonwealth’s ongoing superannuation liabilities to Telstra.
We actually made a capital sum to the Telstra Superannuation Scheme which means
that we won’t have to continue to pay out the superannuation liabilities
of people who worked for Telstra when it was a Government Corporation. That
is extinguishing an ongoing liability and that is the kind of thing that I had
in mind.
CHRISTA HUGHES:
Treasurer, Christa Hughes, Australian Associated Press. You said that the tax
cuts that you announced yesterday were unfinished business. But it is now the
third time in five years that you have tinkered with the thresholds. Why not
take the opportunity to do something more substantial with personal tax reform
like scrapping the top tax rate, raising the tax free threshold or introducing
indexation?
TREASURER:
Well, I have been unable to get an increase in the threshold up to $80,000
through the Senate. What possible chance would you have of getting through the
scrapping of the rate altogether? You know, having an unlimited threshold? You
know, there are some people that think I just set the thresholds. You know,
it is important to remember this, taxes are imposed by law. Law has to pass
the House of Representatives and the Senate. The Senate is controlled by the
Labor Party and left wing parties and mixed independents. And if you can’t
get an increase of that top rate up to a threshold of $80,000 what chance, what
possible remote chance, do you think you would have to abolish it altogether?
You know, we have got to deal in the real world. And we have been fighting for
this one for the last four years. Last year we slipped through an increase in
the threshold, we got it through. This year, we might get this through. But
we must deal in realities, we must look at potential outcomes here.
MATT WADE:
Treasurer, Matt Wade from the Sydney Morning Herald. You have flagged last
year your intention in future Budgets to deliver tax relief if possible. Would
you hope to do anything with the tax scales maybe further down the, tax scales
than what you did yesterday, if the Budget allows it and assuming you’re
Treasurer?
TREASURER:
Well, oh, it is a very, it is very, very frustrating Matt. You know, you, the
tax changes that I announced last night are not yet 24 hours old and you want
to know what is going to happen next year. Can’t we just savour the 24
hour period before we move on? You know, if you are eating a meat pie don’t
think about the custard tart which is following, just get through that meat
pie Matt while you can. That is my message and you know, the principle that
I have laid down is, if you can look after your defence and your security, if
you can adequately fund your health and education, if you can balance your Budget,
and you have a reasonable buffer, then you should work at reducing your tax.
That is what happened last year, I said to you last year, if we had the opportunity
to do more we would. We did. We have. But please Matt don’t get me, don’t
get, you are a hard bunch to please, that is all I can say.
JOSH GORDON:
Josh Gordon from The Age, Treasurer. You said in your speech I think that the
Budget is quite redistributional towards families. I am just wondering which
group it is that you are going to be taking money away from to undertake that
redistribution?
TREASURER:
Well, as I said, a large part of the family package has been paid for by company
tax collections. That has been the big driver, a revision up of $1.8 billion
since Mid-Year Review. Now we could have put that to repayment of debt but you
have seen my slides, I will just put the debt slide up, if I can do it, if we
can do it, no, no, no, no, right, that. We could have re-paid that debt further,
but as you can see, in comparative terms it is pretty low and so we re-distributed
that to Australian families, that is what I am talking about, that is the re-distribution
that has gone on.
Now, can I say to Australia’s corporates, they say, oh well, you are
re-distributing company tax to families, yes we are and I think that is good
policy. Is it because we have asked higher taxes out of Australian corporates?
No, we haven’t. In fact we reduced the company tax rate from 36 to 30
per cent – a lower rate.
And, let me remind Australia’s corporates, we introduced full dividend
imputation, that is the refunding to people who are on a lower tax rate than
that of the franked amount. The reason that those collections were higher is
that companies are profitable.
This is my whole point about economic management, you get into a virtuous
circle, if you get your economic management right and your companies become
profitable and, without having higher rates, that delivers higher tax, then
you can help families. But if you don’t get into that virtuous circle
you get into that unvirtuous circle. Bad economic management leads to less people
in work and less company profitability, leads to less revenues. You have got
nothing. This is the whole point. You are going the other way around.
And there are a lot of Australians who are entitled to say, well, if economic
management has been strong and if our economy is strong, then where are, where
do ordinary people feel that? Well they feel that in my view, with family help,
with a better tax structure, with retirement incomes incentives, more investment
in hospitals, more investments in schools, help for our carers and more aged
care places. But it starts from economic management.
Now, the challenges will keep on coming. Anybody who thinks…if anybody
thinks this, that Australia is out of the woods, if we returned to this thinking
that it will all be OK mate, we don’t have to do anything else then, that
is the very time where we will come undone. We have to remain on our guard.
NIGEL BLUNDEN:
Mr Costello, Nigel Blunden from Channel 9. In the wake of your ninth Budget
last night the Prime Minister this morning was quite glowing in his praise of
your work as Treasurer. He then, however went onto say that he does find his
job immensely stimulating and feels that he still has got a lot to give. I was
just wondering of you, how do you rate John Howard’s performance over
the last couple of years? Also, how much more do you feel he has got to give
to the job of Prime Minister? Should he perhaps, as you are encouraging some
other Australians, work until he drops?
TREASURER:
You know Nigel, I know you are in the Nine Bureau, I spoke to Laurie Oakes
last night and he said he thinks he has got a lot more to give. As head of the
bureau, he feels intensely stimulated, but I think there is still a place for
you down there somewhere.
ALESSANDRA FABRO:
Alessandra Fabro, Fin Review. Treasurer, the tax cuts next year are going
to cost $1.9 billion, but in the same year the personal tax take is going up
$5 billion, so can you tell us exactly how much you are expecting to get from
bracket creep over the next four years, and why weren’t the cuts larger?
TREASURER:
Well, you know, I plead you have got me both ways. You know, the income tax
cuts are too generous to upper and middle income earners or if they are not,
they are not generous enough. This was a line that was being run on certain
media outlets last night, I think they are right. I think this is a competitive
package and it will clear the Senate, but what we are also doing is distributing
to families. But we are distributing more to families than we are distributing
in income tax cuts, $19 billion to families, $14 billion in income tax cuts.
Now, if you had done all of that in income tax cuts, 1 million Australian families
who pay no income tax, would receive nothing, would receive nothing. As I have
already said, there are families with two children that don’t pay tax
up to $40,000. So, we could have taken it and said, let’s do income tax
cuts, and people up the higher scale may have received larger cuts, and 1 million
Australian families would not have received anything. These are choices. Some
people will say that you should have distributed more to families and less in
income tax cuts, some will say as you have said, more in income tax cuts and
less to families. The balance is this, 19 to 14, families first, families square,
families centre. That is the way we decided to do it.
ANDREW FRASER:
Andrew Fraser, The Canberra Times. Your colleague Gary Humphries is proclaiming
today 1,000 new public sector jobs in Canberra from this Budget. What trust
can we place in that promise given that your administration axed 17,000 public
sector jobs in its first term?
TREASURER:
Well, I think I am right in saying this, and I will be corrected if I am wrong,
and I did see an article in The Financial Review, I think saying that under
this Government public service jobs had increased and were nearly back to 1996
levels, I think that was the story. And I think that is probably right. But
let me tell you this, if after eight years of government, with 1.3 million jobs
in Australia, if the level of the public service is where it was eight years
ago, that would indicate to me a pretty lean administration, it really would.
Because there had been 1.3 million new jobs in Australia and what they are saying
is no net increase in the Commonwealth Public Service. Now, I actually thought,
I don’t think it was written to be a complementary article but I actually
thought when I read it that that was not actually an uncomplementary article.
Now, I think you are coming from another angle, you are saying there should
be more public servants, I think. I think you are saying that we have cut too
many, but I don’t think that is right. I think Canberra actually survived
the cuts in the public service and I think it was the best thing that ever happened
to it. It developed a vibrant private sector as a consequence. We are now in
a situation where there are more people that are in the private sector in Canberra
than are in the public sector, it is no longer a majority government town and
far from Canberra suffering, the unemployment rate in Canberra, I think is now
the lowest of any capital city in Australia. So, look around you; Canberra is
alive, lean but alive.