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August 22, 2005ADDRESS
AUSTRALIAN AMERICAN LEADERSHIP DIALOGUE FORUM
GALA DINNER
ART GALLERY OF NEW SOUTH WALES
THE DOMAIN, SYDNEY
SATURDAY, 20 AUGUST 2005
Last Monday, 15th August 2005, was the 60th Anniversary
of Victory in the Pacific (VP Day).
Of course the Second World War did not start on the same day for our two countries
– Australia and the United States of America. For Australia it started
on 3rd September 1939 when Germany ignored an ultimatum over Poland,
and Great Britain and its Dominions declared war. For the United States it began
on 7th December 1941 with the infamous attack on Pearl Harbour. But
the war finished for each of us on the same day some 60 years ago.
Australia and the United States went into World War II separately but came
out of it together:- as allies; and as friends.
Just as the United States was caught off guard by the Japanese attack in 1941,
Australia was caught unprepared for the rapid Japanese advance in South East
Asia and the Pacific. By February 1942 the continental mainland of Australia
was under direct air attack. Australia faced its gravest security threat. But
beginning with naval battles in the Coral Sea, with the Australian land defence
of Port Moresby, and the island campaign under Douglas MacArthur, the war began
to turn. It ended in circumstances that are well known.
Anyone who lived through that period knows that in Australia’s greatest
hour of need it was the forces of the United States that stood with us in the
defence of Australia and ultimately secured victory in the Pacific. This is
the World War II generation – a generation sometimes described as the
‘greatest generation’.
My generation is the sons and daughters of that generation. We know the story
of the defence of Australia from our parents – their stories, their medals,
their battalion reunions have been part of our history from birth. But as that
generation fades, so too does the knowledge of how our countries came to be
military allies and what that meant in the dark years early in the 1940s. We
should not assume that these events loom large in the minds of the next generation.
It is common in this country, like so many others, to come across anti-American
sentiment. It is always there but it rises at times of Australia’s military
engagement in coalition with the United States. Most recently Australia’s
engagement in Iraq has raised these sentiments. Critics commonly allege that
Australia is only engaged in these theatres at the urging of, or in some supine
gesture towards the United States. “After all”, one senior school
student aggressively asked me at a local school: ‘What have the Americans
ever done for us?’ What indeed? I began my answer with the events of 1941.
There was no flicker of recognition. It was clear to me that whatever the educational
achievements of this school, the teaching of history was not among them.
This is not to say that every person that opposed Australia’s engagement
in Iraq is anti-American, plainly not. Some have legitimate disagreements over
aims or strategy. Some dispute the legality of the engagement. Not every person
opposed to Australia’s engagement in Iraq is anti-American. But let me
turn it around the other way. Every anti-American would have opposed Australia’s
engagement in Iraq.
I think it was a fair element motivating Labor’s Leader of last year.
When he opposed Australia’s engagement in Iraq, he didn’t confine
himself to aims or strategy but included gratuitous insults to President Bush.
Warming to his theme he told Parliament that:
“Mr Howard and his Government are just yes-men to the United States.
There they are, a conga line of suckholes…”
Other statements by him on the subject cannot be reported here for reasons
of decency. They reveal a lot of venom directed towards America.
Anti-Americanism is not unique to Australia. It is prevalent in much greater
degrees in other places around the world. For example, in Europe, particularly
France, it is widespread. Jean-Francois Revel writing on “Europe’s
Anti-American Obsession” in December 2003 observed that:-
‘Many Europeans sneer that America, a society still in a primitive
state, ruled by violence and criminality, couldn’t possibly have a
mature culture’.
Part of the feeling against America in Europe stems from the fact that although
America is a much younger country it has managed to take the leadership role
in world affairs that Europeans believe rightly should belong to them. In the
minds of many in Europe, America is an immature upstart. Of course one of the
reasons this upstart became a global leader is that it proved quite successful
and valuable to France in 1944!
Anti-Americanism is virulent in the Arab world. I will not give examples. They
are regularly published in newspapers and on websites. Some of them can be extremely
offensive. They mostly revolve around perceived injustices to Islam, the Palestinians,
or the so-called influence of the Jews.
But a sense of denied global leadership or a perceived injustice to the Arab
world is not likely to be the source of anti-Americanism in Australia. So where
does it come from?
In April this year, the Lowy Institute published a survey of Australian attitudes
to other countries. It asked this question: “When you think about the
following countries do you have positive or negative feelings about them?”
Amongst Australians positive feelings for New Zealand topped the list with a
net positive of 90%, the UK was second with a net positive of 75%, Japan was
at 70%. Then it fell away. The United States had a net positive rating of 19%
half that of China and slightly ahead of Indonesia. It received a much larger
negative response than China.
What are the sources of anti-American feeling in Australia?
There has always been hostility from some on the left of politics towards America.
These are people who believe capitalism is evil and that the United States is
the home of capitalism. In their eyes the United States is the place where the
evil of capitalism and exploitation is most at home, and not only at home, but
at home base from which it is exported around the world. During the Cold War,
Marxists and socialists of various types were ideologically or emotionally drawn
to the communist side. Their side lost. This gave them even stronger reason
to dislike America.
Fortunately communism has now been consigned to the dustbin of history. Except
for a few strongholds in University Faculties it would be rare to meet a real
socialist today, or to hear a Marxist critique of capitalism. But the sentiment
hasn’t entirely disappeared – the Left in Australian politics is
still there but has morphed itself into other names. One of the names you will
find it takes today is “anti-globalisation”.
Anti-globalisation rallies really got a big start after the World Trade Organisation
meeting in Seattle in November 1999. They are frequently directed at International
Monetary Fund meetings. It is quite common to see an effigy of Uncle Sam at
these rallies. After all if the world is being subjected to exploitative economic
forces where do you think those forces would be based and who do you think would
be directing them? You guessed it – the home of evil. Opponents of globalisation
locate evil in the same place that their ideological soulmates from the days
of the Cold War did. Left wing politics and its more recent variant – anti-globalisation
– operates in a fever of anti-Americanism.
Outside of left-wing circles, there might be another reason for resentment
towards the United States. This is a resentment about the level of US power.
This might not be a particular objection to the economic or political system
but resentment that its economy is so strong and its military reach so wide.
In global terms the power of the United States is unrivalled. People are naturally
suspicious of power. A lot of our literature tells stories about the little
guy who takes on and overcomes the big guy:- David vs. Goliath. We are supposed
to identify with the little guy. There is something in human nature that resents
another’s power.
Of course people get suspicious about power because they fear that at the end
of the day it might be used against them, or their interests, or the interests
of those they care for. The history of the world is replete with powerful states
and empires – Rome, the Ottomans, Great Britain. These were powers that
ruled large areas of the globe, generally by force. There always has been and,
in likelihood, always will be great powers – even hegemons. But if the
world is to have a hegemon the modern United States is the kind of hegemon we
would like to have – democratic, respectful of human rights, with strong
and genuine belief in individual liberty.
A stable international order which recognises these values is far preferable
to one where great powers seek to extinguish these values, or to an unstable
international order where these values cannot be guaranteed or enjoyed.
A stable free democratic condition is not the natural condition of the human
race. In the sweep of world history this is the exception not the rule. Democracy
is something that has to be worked at. Most societies that have been able to
practice it successfully have come to it after a very long process.
Great powers determined to rub out democracy are dangerous. Great powers that
want to respect and protect this process are not at all threatening.
Australia does not seek to rival the United States for global leadership. We
have no reason to resent its great power. That power is more likely to be used
in defence of values we hold dear – the rule of law, parliamentary democracy,
property rights, freedom of movement, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech
– than in threatening them.
There is another level of values, a less important level, where Australians
might worry about the United States influence. American mass culture is very
strong. It is exported around the world principally through media. A fair bit
of it is distasteful – particularly views on violence and sex portrayed
on television or movies coming out of Hollywood. If you watched too much of
this rubbish you could begin to think that this behaviour is normal or glamorous.
Some people might try to imitate it.
Before we get too self-righteous about this we should acknowledge that there
is an element of Australian popular culture that is equally distasteful. We
have our own media propagating distasteful images and values. We could certainly
give the Americans a run for their money in a race to the bottom.
Unfortunately America has found it much easier to spread its mass culture,
than to spread its high principles. Perhaps we have too. So what should we conclude?
That there is something wrong with the international order? Of course not. We
should conclude that human nature is frail. There is always going to be a large
market for this kind of stuff. A large proportion of America is concerned about
Hollywood as well. Short of media control there is little, however, that can
be done about it.
So some people blame America for “evil capitalism”. Some resent
its power. Some dislike aspects of its mass culture. None of these things threaten
Australia, its vital interests or its core values. In fact American power is
supportive of our core values. Our country has no solid reason for anti-Americanism.
The US Administration has recognised that anti-Americanism is an issue, and
I think the appointment of Karen Hughes as Under Secretary of State for Public
Diplomacy has been a positive move to help address this issue. Henry Kissinger
in his most recent book concluded with an injunction for the US to strive for
co-operation.
He cites the Australian scholar Coral Bell who he says brilliantly describes
America’s challenge thus:
“to recognise its own pre-eminence but to conduct it’s own policy
as if it were still living in a world of many centres of power.”
Australia and the United States will see many issues in the same way – because
we have similar values – but we will see some issues quite differently because
we have dissimilarities:-
1. The United States is a global power that sees its role and interests in
global terms. Australia does not purport to be a global power.
2. We are located in different regions. Australia’s neighbourhood is
in East Asia and the United States’ neighbourhood is the Americas.
3. The United States believes that it can be a self-contained economy. Australia
knows it can’t and relies on international trade for its standard of
living.
4. The United States believes it has a “manifest destiny” to
take its view of human rights to the world. Australia has a common law tradition
where civil and political rights emerge from democratic experience sometimes
in different forms.
These different perspectives give rise to some differences on policy. I will
illustrate a couple from my own experience.
Disagreements over IMF Support for Indonesia
In late 1997 and early 1998, the Asian economic crisis that had started in
Thailand spread to Korea and Indonesia. The Indonesian currency was in free
fall (falling from 2450 to the USD in June 1997 to 10375 in January 1998), foreign
banks had cut their credit lines, inflation had surged and trade was disrupted.
Indonesia’s economic stability and future was at stake.
The IMF and Indonesia agreed on an IMF program in November 1997. It made little
difference, conditions in Indonesia continued to deteriorate. A revised programme
in January 1998 contained a long list of demands that I would support –
fiscal conditions, structural reform – for long term economic reform but
which were hopelessly misdirected for a country with collapsing living standards
that required immediate stablisation and liquidity support. For example, the
IMF demanded the abolition of Bulog, the state-owned monopoly food supplier;
the elimination of the Clove Marketing Board; cement cartels to be dissolved;
barriers to foreign investment in palm oil to be lifted; petrol prices to be
increased. Australia made strong objections about the appropriateness of these
conditions. The United States strongly defended them. Eventually the IMF reconsidered
them.
Australia’s approach to Indonesia during the crisis reflected our assessment
of Indonesia’s strategic importance – our view that the stability
and prosperity of Indonesia and its 200 million people were the first and foremost
issue not only for the Indonesians themselves but for Australia and the wider
region.
The United States believed that breaking up monopolies would break up corruption
and improve human rights. It wanted the international community to get tough
with Indonesia – much tougher than it demanded when crises later occurred
and programmes were offered to Argentina and Turkey, where US strategic interests
were seen more clearly at risk. Washington viewed Indonesia principally through
the lens of human rights. Australia viewed it through the lens of economic stability
in East Asia.
China’s Exchange Rate Regime
Over recent decades, China’s remarkable growth has lifted millions of
its citizens out of poverty, transformed its economy and society, re-shaped
the East Asian economic landscape and shifted global markets for commodities,
manufactured goods and capital.
Australia and the US have welcomed – and benefited from – China’s
economic emergence and increasing integration into the global economy. We have
encouraged the Chinese authorities to maintain the pace of economic reform and
liberalisation.
It is widely believed that because China has pegged its currency to the US
dollar the RMB is undervalued. If so, this means its exports are more competitive
against US domestic manufacturers. Many in the United States see this as unfair
competition and a source of the large United States current account deficit.
This was a major issue at the 2003 APEC Finance Ministers’ meeting in
Phuket, Thailand.
At the end of the 2003 APEC Finance Ministers’ Meeting in Phuket, Thailand,
US Treasury Secretary Snow issued a press release affirming his: –
“long-held view that market-determined floating currencies, with
interventions kept to a minimum, are essential to a well-functioning international
financial system.”
He went on to point out that:-
“[o]nly freely floating currencies bring the accuracy and efficiency
necessary for proper pricing, account settlement and capital flows among
our economies.”
Australia agrees. We also acknowledge that for emerging economies with fragile
financial systems, the pacing and sequencing of reform designed to bring about
this outcome is critical.
Here’s what I said at the end of the meeting:-
“…countries that are emerging markets like China have to develop
strong financial systems to come fully into the international financial
system and as we learnt in 1997 and 1998, the floating of an exchange rate
is something that tends to come at the end of that process rather than the
beginning of that process. And there’s a lot of work to be done of
course in strengthening the Chinese financial system.”
Australia, like the US, welcomed China’s 21 July announcement that it
was adopting a more flexible approach to its currency, we believe that Beijing
must adopt a carefully paced approach to further liberalisation. Australia views
this issue through the lens of regional economic stability. The United States
views it in the context of bilateral trade.
Different Perspectives, Shared Values
These examples are not major strategic disagreements. They do illustrate different
perspectives. We are nations of different sizes. Australia is conscious that
it is one of many middle sized powers in the world. It is conscious that it
must work with those powers.
We are not a self-contained economy. We are an open trading economy. We want
to work within the World Trade Organisation to open trade for the benefit of
all countries. If the world resorts to a shoot-out on subsidies, the United
States might think it can win. We know we would lose. Overall global prosperity
would turn down.
Australia has done a lot of hard reform in opening its economy to international
trade. It has paid results. But it would pay higher results if other countries
were able to achieve similar results. We really need co-operation in the forthcoming
Hong Kong Ministerial by countries that are able to take decisions in the long-term
interest even where it conflicts with short-term political pressures .
Australia is conscious that its near neighbours in East Asia are important
to it economically and strategically. It wants to see continuing stability and
growing prosperity. And it wants to see the United States closely engaged with
the region.
On matters of global significance, such as the fight against terrorism, we
look at things in very much the same way. This is because we look through a
prism of shared values and shared interests. It is shared values and shared
interests that form the foundation of our alliance. An alliance could not have
a firmer foundation.